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When is the M113 'Oil Pump Growl' a problem?

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Background: After lifting the car and probing a bit, my 2005 SLK55 RPM-dependent and annoying growl is definitely coming from the oil pan/sump area of the engine and not the 722.9 transmission. Good news...I believe.
Apparently, I have a classic M113-stuffed in-a-SLK55 oil pump growl (aka: https://www.slkworld.com/threads/slk55-m113-oil-pump-whine.615243/?post_id=5075457#post-5075457), or...do I have something more serious? According to this thread (https://www.slkworld.com/threads/th...threads/the-m113-whine-oil-dependent.581893/page-2?post_id=4926078#post-4926078) my very recent move from 'the oil in the engine when I bought it' (Shell? MB?) to Liqui Moly likely caused in increase in the noise, and my next move should be to Castrol Edge [Euro 0W-40] in the hope the noise 'generally' disappears. But, before I do that: the collective of AIs I've conversed with suggest to attach an oil pressure gauge to the engine port and confirm the oil pressure is solid and the pickup tube gasket has not failed/ruptured, which would (in theory) cause cavitation in the oil pickup tube and add to the M113 'growl'. Bottom Line: Is measuring the oil pressure warranted, or should I just skip to swapping in Castrol Edge? Or am I on the wrong track entirely about tempering the growl in my M113? Note:engine has ≈8.0 liters of oil in it, and all digital measurements check out 'good/as-expected'.
 
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Yes, one of the well established idiosyncrasies of the M113 engine and oil pump. You can buy modified pump gears that effectively eliminate the noise. XFMotorsports.com sells them. I simply ignore it since it's most pronounced only at cold start. Don't looses any sleep over it, it's very normal.
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Yes, one of the well established idiosyncrasies of the M113 engine and oil pump. You can buy modified pump gears that effectively eliminate the noise. XFMotorsports.com sells them. I simply ignore it since it's most pronounced only at cold start. Don't looses any sleep over it, it's very normal.
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Interesting. Replacing the factory pump gears with improved ones sounds like the solution for a Type-A driver, which I am (sadly? amusingly?) not. If there is no real problem with this growl then turning up the radio a bit louder is a pretty good solution in my world...
 
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I realize that "what oil is best?" threads can go on forever, but I'm wondering if 5w-40 might be a little less noisy, especially since the noise is loudest when the engine is cold.
 
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I'm not sure what oil it was running when I purchased it (with a 'slight' growl at that point), but I switched to 5W-40 Liquid Moly and the noise changed: worse at startup and better after it warmed up a bit. However, the noise does not go away and remains RPM-dependent, although it may just be a characteristic of the M113 engine (it's my first one).
I will likely try the Castrol Edge option soon and report back, but am also considering adding an oil pressure gauge for long-term peace of mind regarding a failed oil pump seal.
 
#8 ·
My personal belief.....any growl or weird noise not normal is a problem to fix
 
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Just to finish this adventure off: today I replaced the Liqui Moly 5W-40 with Castrol Edge 5W-40 to discover if the slightly-different-oils would improve/quiet the native growl of the the dual-sump oil pump of a M113 shoe-horned into the SLK55. My $.02: not much of an improvement... Perhaps 10-20% better, but not enough of an improvement to choose Castrol over LM. And, at this point, I regret disposing of the lightly used LM oil. The real answer is to just drive fast enough the growl is irrelevant.
 
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